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Minutes from Last Meeting

Minutes from the last meeting on Saturday 19 March 2011

Guest speaker Dr Jeremy Shearman from Warwick Hospital

Minutes of Meeting

Date: Saturday 19th March 2011, start time 10 a.m.

Venue: Kings Norton Golf Club

Present at Meeting

Sheila Kelly (SK)
Bernard Kelly (BK)
Kieran Lynch (KL)
Lindsay Roberts (LR)
Alan Mannering (AM)
Bernadette Lynch (Minute Taker)    
Sonia Lynch (SL)
John Moore (JM)
Norma Moore
NM)
Bill Whamond (BW) 
Catherine Whamond (CM)
Angela Moore (AnM)

 

Richard Cotter, senior(RCs)   
Richard Cotter, jr (RC jr)     
Paul Aveyard (PA)     
Terry Aveyard (TA)     
Jean Richards  (JeR)           
John Richards (JoR)     
Ken Allen  (KA)      
June Allen (JA)        
Dr Jeremy Shearman   (JS)   
Gastroenterologist and Hepatologist in South Warwickshire   
Laura Boyes  (LB)   Genetic Counsellor, Queen Elizabeth Women’s Hospital   
Phil Laxton   (PL)       

 

 

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Welcome and Introductions 

 

 

 

 

 

All were welcomed. A special welcome and thanks for attending were extended to Dr Jeremy Shearman   (JS)    Gastroenterologist and Hepatologist in South Warwickshire    and Laura Boyes (LB)   Genetic Counsellor, Queen Elizabeth Women’s Hospital.   

 

 

 

 

Apologies

 

 

  • Maria Cleary
  • Peter and Marleen Booth
  • Vernon Munton
  • Cheryl and Robert Jasper
  • Ran and Sheri Griffiths
  • Sue and Michelle Tooze
  • Peter Marks (genetics counsellor)
  • Chris Flood, Sandwell Irish Community Association
  • Pat Waddington, North West support group
  • Janet Fernau, UK Haemochromatosis Society
  • Bernard and Mary Clarke
  • Dr Tripathi (Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Liver Clinic)

 

 

 

Talk by Dr Jeremy Shearman  

 

 

 

 

*         Dr Shearman introduction:

 

Dr Shearman qualified in Leeds and then worked as a junior doctor in Oxford, John Radcliffe Hospital where he first got involved in treating patients with Haemochromatosis. Dr Shearman undertook a period or research at John Radcliffe, funded by the Welcome Trust, on molecular genetics of Haemochromatosis. Dr Shearman stated that the genetic basis was indentified in the mid-70s and the gene was found after a protracted process of investigation in 1996. `It was a relief to him`. ´90% of patients had 2 copies of the mutation and testing systems are becoming more sophisticated´.

After working on research Dr Shearman moved to South Warwickshire Foundation Trust.

 

  1. Haemochromatosis is quite variable in its presentation;
  2. Diagnosis is not always welcome;
  3. Treatment is considered to be a pain in the neck;
  4. Advice from doctors is often variable and inconsistent.
  5. Dietary Changes

 

  


 

A.      Haemochromatosis is quite variable in its presentation;

 

(JS)  noted that their there was a wide variation of symptoms and ages at diagnosis, with about a third showing some level of joint pain,  'this may be linked to another gene that is at present unidentified'.  He stated that he is not sure why all people with the genetic pattern don’t develop Haemochromatosis/iron overload or symptoms. A research project in Cambridge is looking at people’s whole gene profile and Haemochromatosis may not be a single gene condition, but rather a situation in which collections of gene profiles in some individuals might explain the variations noted.

(JS)  discussed the validity of whole population screening but questioned this in terms of its cost effectiveness/possibility of succeeding in its aims, 'only a small proportion will have iron overload and an even smaller proportion will have endgame damage' He suggested that it might be a good idea if iron levels were checked in people around the age of 50 in a similar way to the way in which cholesterol is already looked for. ´This would help to find not only those with high iron levels but also those who were deficient´.

 

B.      `Diagnosis is not always welcome`:

 

(JS) explained that people may present with no symptoms and they are sometime resistant to the knowledge that they have an illness. He stated that this process became even more pronounced with 1st generation relatives who often want the knowledge even less so.  This can make (´cascade screening´) of close relative difficult at times. Despite that (JS) always gives out letters to those diagnosed to be used to pass on the message in the hope that people will see the logic of getting tested and treated if necessary.

In relation to screening of young children (JS) asked the question, ´was it harsh to screen them´? He stated that indirect screening could be established by screening the mother and, if she is a carrier you have an idea about the children and like wise, if she is not.

On women (JS) explained that lower iron levels in women, usually due to menstruation, do not necessarily indicate that they do not have Haemochromatosis.

Fundamentally, (JS) explained that a successful process of screening combined with effective treatment plans could make

Haemochromatosis an easily manageable illness but that achieving this outcome was somewhat more complex given the realities of cost, identification of at risk groups and individuals etc.

 

C.      ´Treatment is a pain but it works`:

 

(JS) stated that Haemochromatosis does at least have a treatment that is relatively effective and that venesection is usually efficient in taking down levels of iron in a patient. ´It is very safe and has, in fact, been used for centuries. If you treat pre-cirrhosis people with effective venesection, life span is the same as any comparable age group. So it is important to do it´, (Based on a study done in Germany).

 

  D.  ´Advice from doctors is inconsistent´:

 

(JS) highlighted the situation in which people with Haemochromatosis, particularly those recently diagnosed become confused by the language surrounding the illness. He stated that the term Haemochromatosis should be saved for people with iron overload and organ damage and that he would like to use the term, ´potential Haemochromatosis` at stages prior to iron overload.

(JS) highlighted and confirmed the often noted and not ideal situation in which treatment protocols vary between liver specialists, haematologists, gastroenterologist and other areas of specialism. His advice to patients was to take things steady, keep venesections going overtime and not just for a quick burst and he reminded people that iron takes a long time to build up and that they should, therefore, expect it to take a while to reduce raised iron levels. (JS) indicated that he teaches his patients to understand what they need as a way of empowering them. He also explained that this logic had grown out of unsuccessful attempts to train doctors and maintain their interest in these matters.  People were in complete agreement with this outlook.

(JS) produced a patient record card that he had developed in conjunction with the Haemochromatosis Society which he uses with his patients and which is available from Janet Fernau at the Society.

(JS) also discussed the variance in attitude to ferritin levels between the North American outlook and the view in the UK. He stated that in North America the current view was that the level of ferritin 30 was the target for those with Haemochromatosis whereas in the UK the level of between 50 to 250/300 is aimed for.  (JS) said that he generally aims for a ferritin level of 100 with the patients he sees. He also said it is important to keep a check on haemoglobin levels following venesection treatment and that some flexibility should be allowed for to accommodate the fact that every case is different.

Another point that was made was that people can become somewhat depressed when ferritin levels take a long time to come down. (JS) produces a graphic for his patients which encourages them to keep a watch on their levels and helps them see, in a graphic sense, the progress being made.  He highlighted that often during treatment, levels can maintain at a particular point for some time before beginning to reduce but that after this barrier level was crossed levels often reduced more rapidly. 

Another interesting point raised by (JS) was the situation where often doctors react to signs of anaemia by ceasing any treatments of venesection altogether for a time. He sees it as far more beneficial to reduce the amount of blood and, therefore, iron taken per session but to continue treatment sessions.  This means that the progressive nature of iron reduction can be maintained while balancing effects of anaemia.  He stated that he preferred to maintain treatments also to maintain consistency for the patient and that this meant they did not cease treatments altogether as sometimes happens following situations like this.

 

  1. Dietary Changes:

 

I think it is fair to say that Dr Shearman’s take on diet in relation to Haemochromatosis was, everything in moderation. On discussions of  do’s and don’ts and trying to manage iron through changes in diet (JS)  stated that ´it isn’t worth it´, quoting the futility of the  US navy’s attempt to persuade sailors to eat vegetables so as to gain strength through gains in iron, the affects being negligible. Of far more relevance is the amount of iron in meat and the negative affects of alcohol and yet (JS) explained that even removing these totally from your diet would have little impact on levels of iron in the end when receiving venesection treatment. `Becoming a vegetarian doesn´t reduce much iron´, and to further debunk wrongly held views he noted that ´Guinness is not good for you as there is not much iron in it´, but please don’t tell the brewery about that, will you.

In answer to a question about the retention of iron in the liver through intake of vitamin C, (JS) concurred with this process but stated that he felt it was again negligible in terms of its overall affect on those with Haemochromatosis and that people should ´not worry about it´. ´Venesection is the really powerful treatment`. He explained that some patients make themselves quite ill by making changes to their diet, based on perceived logic of the types discussed above, by denying themselves important nutrients that the body needs to function.

In reply to concerns of diabetes developing because of a sweet tooth (JS) explained that he thinks it unlikely that anyone gets diabetes just because of iron overload/ Haemochromatosis and that many lifestyle factors contribute to development of diabetes so ´healthy eating is always worth doing and not just for those with Haemochromatosis. `People with Haemochromatosis that do develop diabetes will suffer from insulin resistant diabetes due to the part played in insulin production by the liver`.

Discussion took place around the subject of collation therapy, (removal of iron by the use of drugs) and the drugs Lansaprozole and Omeprazole were specifically mentioned as drugs that people had heard of and used for this purpose as well as for other reasons but which still might help in the reduction or maintenance of iron levels. (JS)  stated that he doesn’t think this method really works and is certainly not as effective as venesection. He also pointed out the potential for side affects particularly with long term use, such as the risk of food poisoning because of the suppression of essential stomach acids that would not be present to break down food. (JS) also pointed out the heightened risk of osteoporosis/low magnesium levels from long-term use.

For those who wanted venesection record cards it was suggested that they should contact Janet Fernau at the Haemochromatosis Society.

We thanked (JS) for his kindness in coming to share his knowledge and for the expression of his thoughts on Haemochromatosis and gave him a round of applause for his time and a bottle of wine as a token of our thanks.

(JS) finally offered us a really precious gift of general technical guidance and support for the group. If people have questions in the future the y can ask them by funneling their questions via (KL) who will forward it to (JS).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(KA & (JA) to send information about PPIs

 

Following group business   

 

 

 

  1. Contact from Federation of Irish Societies
  2. Development of idea to produce and distribute car stickers
  3. Production of a banner for use by the group at events & meetings
  4. Report about the Queen Elizabeth hospital support group open day
  5. Feedback on use of group funds
  6. Meeting of regional support groups, 9th April 2011
  7. Feedback on British Liver Trust conference in January
  8. Liver Research Review Panel
  9. John & Norma Moore reported on fundraising & GP awareness
  10. Merseyside and North West Support Groups Questionnaire
  11. Thanks to Laura Boyes, genetic counselor Queen Elizabeth Hospital
  12. Formalizing the West Midlands support group
  13. Letter writing on behalf with the support group
  14. Time and date for next meeting

 

 

1.

Contact from Federation of Irish Societies

 

 

 

 (KL)  explained that the group had been approached by Ellen Pratt from the Federation of Irish Societies.  He stated that the Federation of Irish Societies is trying to raise awareness about Haemochromatosis and that it is using the event of the current census as an opportunity to highlight the high incidence of Haemochromatosis among people with Irish backgrounds. The Federation is trying to get people to recognize their Irish roots and note them on the census. By doing this they hope to bring to the attention of the authorities the amount of people who can trace their origins to Ireland and therefore pinpoint at least one section of the population that should be targeted for potential assistance with the health issues connected to Haemochromatosis.  Ellen asked if she could have a piece written by someone with Haemochromatosis and an Irish background to assist her in her work. She hopes to use the piece with newspapers to raise awareness about Haemochromatosis. (KL)  explained that as he just met Ellen´s criteria he wrote as short piece for her to use which can be read in the March 2011 newsletter.

 

 

2.

Development of idea to produce and distribute car stickers

 

 

(KL)  reported on the idea for the group to produce car stickers that had been raised at the previous meeting in October 2011 by Catherine Whamond. Nine different examples for potential leaflet had been prepared for consideration and these were passed around the people present to get feedback and ideas. People were asked to pick a favorite and give reasons why they liked or disliked elements of the examples. This procedure produced one sticker that was a general favorite and some specific suggestions that will help with the final development of this idea. For example, (KA) suggested that the wording should be specific and that the use of the word iron should be identified as a problem of the body and, therefore, not confused with the car on which the sticker might me displayed. Also, (LB) suggested that the eventual car sticker might ask the viewer when last they had been checked for iron levels. Good points!  This section was most fruitful and the feed back will be used to help shape the final car sticker for use, if the project gets funding and support from the UK Society.

 

 

 

 

 

(KL)  to design car sticker using feedback and forward the idea to the UK Society

3.

Production of a banner for use by the group at events & meetings

 

 

 

(KL) reported that a banner had been designed and bought for use by the West Midlands support group at events and meetings. He noted that it had been his intention to bring the proposed design for this banner to the March 2011 meeting but that events had dictated the need to purchase a banner before the meeting to use at the Queen Elizabeth hospital support group open day on 10th March. There was general approval of the banner and its graphics.

 

 

4.

Report about Queen Elizabeth hospital support group open day

 

 

 

 

(KL) explained about the Queen Elizabeth hospital support group open day on 10th March. He outlined that the event was the first of its kind staged at the new hospital and that this made it important for our group to have taken part, hence the rush to get a banner that would make us look professional alongside the other 20 or so groups that took part in the open day event. (AM) and (BK) explained that the group met several people on the day including a governor of the hospital, a newly diagnosed patient and people from other groups among others. It was explained that Vernon Munton, who had been unable to come to the March 19th meeting had found his niche and thrived on the activities of the open day, drawing people into the West Midlands support group stand with great enthusiasm. Generally, it was expressed that the open day event had been a great success and should be done again when possible. Hopefully Vernon will be available to work his charm?

 

 

(KL)   to keep in touch with QE authorities and other interested parties to see if we can organize another such event and also to see if we can find other events at which we could maintain a presence.

5. 

Feedback on use of group funds

 

 

 

(KL)  reported that since the last meeting in October 2010 the two major areas of expense from the group funds supplied by the UK Society had been the need to finance a new printer and the cost of two roller banners as outlined above. Also (KL)  explained that all the usual expenses of running the group had been drawn on the funds but that to save time he would not go into detail as these were available in the newsletter which had been given to all people attending the 19th March meeting and which would be forwarded to all other members who had been unable to attend.

 

 

6.

Meeting of regional support groups, 9th April 2011

 

 

 

(KL) noted that there would be a meeting taking place on 9th April at the Friends Meeting House in Bull Street Birmingham but that he thought it was only a meeting for invited guests who were intending to set up regional support groups in other parts of the country and to those who had already done this in other areas.

There was some discussion about how the West Midlands group and its members could give input into the meeting on 9th April. We discussed reasons why people come to meetings, become involved in support groups, and whether people give priority to learning in managing their own condition or whether raising awareness more generally lies at the heart of their interest. Discussion also centred on the best, most effective and financially viable methods of raising awareness and whether it was worthwhile for us, as a support group, to approach medics and particularly GPs in our attempt to raise awareness or whether this was ultimately unfruitful.

 

(KL)  and maybe others to attend this meeting and report back at next meeting of West Midlands support group.

7.

Feedback on British Liver Trust conference in January

 

 

 

(AM) Reported that the British Liver Trust had invited both himself and (KL) to attend their annual conference in January. (AM) had attended on his own as (KL) was unable to accompany him due to his ill-health.

(AM noted that the British Liver Trust were writing to MPs to try and interest a cabinet minister with a specialty.

 

8.

Liver Research Review Panel

 

 

 

 

(KL) reported that he had been approached  by Diana Hull, Liver Research Senior Sister at the Queen Elizabeth, with a view to asking people if they would be interested in sitting on a review panel that would be assisting with work on Liver Research. Full details of this work and the part people were being asked to play were handed out so that people could read the letters at home and act on them as they desired.

 

9.

John & Norma Moore reported on fundraising & GP awareness

 

 

 

(JM) & (NM) reported that they had obtained the latest report from the Haemochromatosis Society and given it to their GP who on reading it has decided to alter his approach on how to deal with Haemochromatosis in the future. It was agreed that this proves we can have a positive affect as individuals or as a group on the situation as regards Haemochromatosis and its treatment.

(JM) & (NM) also told us about their very interesting and successful fund-raising idea. At a family event they had placed cards on each place at the tables, which gave the essential details of the illness and also asked for a donation.  It was agreed that this idea was not only a good idea in its own right, in terms of raising awareness and funding, but held  extra potential because it could be used at family events, as well as others, where it was likely, due to genetics, to reach a fertile audience. The £700 raised and donated to the Haemochromatosis Society was also a good indicator of the success of this idea.

 

(KL)  will pass on his idea when he attends the regional support groups meeting on ninth 9th  April 2011

10.

Merseyside and North West Support Groups Questionnaire

 

 

 

(KL) handed out questionnaires given to us by the Merseyside and North West support group that are aimed at gathering information about the patient experience of those with Haemochromatosis. (KL)  explained that he was very keen for people to fill these in as a way of repaying Pat Waddington and the North West group for all the help they had given to the West Midlands group over the last two years. (KL) also noted that there was no obligation on anyone to fill these in if they did not wish to. A little quiet time was given over so that people could fill in these questionnaires, which was done with enthusiasm.

(KL) will send out copies of these questionnaires to all other members of the West Midlands group, who did not attend the March 19th meeting. When he receives these back he will send in all filled in questionnaires to Pat Waddington at the North West support for collation in time.

11.

Thanks to Laura Boyes, genetic counselor Queen Elizabeth Hospital

 

 

 

(KL) introduced Laura Boyes, genetic counselor from the Queen Elizabeth Women’s Hospital who had very kindly given up her Saturday morning to come and join in our meeting. People showed their appreciation to Laura for coming along.

(KL) will keep the genetics department at the Queen Elizabeth Women’s Hospital informed about future items concerning the support group that might be of interest to them

12.

Formalizing the West Midlands support group

 

 

 

(KL) mentioned the fact that at the last meeting in October 2010 there had been discussion about giving the group a more formal structure. He noted that the group had appraised the governing document that had been presented in October but that he had not received much feedback as yet. (KL) said that he would be interested to hear any ideas from people who have attended for the first time on 19th March and that he would also like to discuss this idea in the future so hands to be able to spread out the work of the group to more members if possible.

 

(KL) will raise this issue again at future meetings.

13.

Letter writing on behalf with the support group

 

 

 

(KL) raised the issue of involving other people within a support group in the work to raise awareness and specifically suggested the activity of letter writing. (KL) said that he was willing to develop a template letter on support group letterhead paper that people could use if they wished in any letters they write to raise awareness about Haemochromatosis and or the support group. (BW)  offered to write to Mark Porter at the Times newspaper to see if he could make some impact in this direction. (BW)  also offered to consider taking on other tasks when required.

(KL) will develop a template letter so that people can use these as the basis for letters they write.

(BW)  will write to Mark Porter at the Times newspaper and report back.

(KL) will liaise with (BW) about the help offered.

14.

Time and date for next meeting

 

 

 

(KL) stated that the next West Midlands support group meeting would take place sometime later in the year but that the time and date had not yet been decided and that he would communicate with people about the time and date of the next meeting as soon as he obtained this information.

 

(KP)  closed the meeting and thanked everyone very much for coming along and for making the meeting such a great success by their presence.

 

(KL) will communicate with people about details of in the next meeting etc.

 

 

 

 
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